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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Defeat Islamofascists by becoming them Reply with quote

Have you guys been over to Orcinus?

Sara Robinson writes some of the best stuff I've ever read. but the blog really belongs to David Neiwert. Here's some stuff I liked from the comments about David's post "The enemies within".

I keep wondering if the military industrial complex could be bought off by massive investment in space exploration.

Seeing the effort made for studying a piece of floating debris during the last shuttle flight, I thought a multi-$trillion orbital battle station would lead to fantastic improvements in systems theory and risk minimization for the world generally.

If a chunk of our economy needs to waste $billions to keep running, why not churn out spaceships? or space elevators? colonies on the moon and mars and anywhere else it's feasible?
Mike | 10.13.06 - 9:53 am | #
Mike, there's political reasons why what you are suggesting hasn't been done. Namely, the same problem every colonialist nation has ever faced: what to do about uppity colonies. In this case, uppity colonies unreachable for punishment by the 'mother country' by the usual methods...but because of that same advantage, can prove to be quite dangerous.

It's an old dilemma in sci-fi, going back decades. A space colony is established, for whatever reason. The original reason may have been pure science, but with commercial development (lots of things you can do in a null- or low G environment you can't do here) and cheaper space travel, often such a place would be a perfect dumping ground for political prisoners. The best example of what happens next might be Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, where the 'Loonies' revolt against a harsh and callous Earth government, take over the underground habitats on the Moon, and begin hammering Earth with rocks courtesy of a linear accellerator (causing damage similar to high-yield fusion bombs without the accompanying radiation) until their demand for independence is acceded to.

You cannot effectively defend against an attack from space. Hell, we have a hard enough time shooting down sub-orbital ICBMs in 'Star Wars' tests.

But there may be another, more sinister reason for failing to develop space industries. Back in the 1980's there was much talk about using the Shuttles to develop space stations ands colonies on the Moon. Part of the reason for doing so was the development of cheap solar power. And the proposed space based solar arrays beaming cheap, clean power down to Earth, such as posited by space scientist Gerard O'Neil in the 1980's, would directly challenge the political suzerainty of the petrochemical industry that powers our civilization.

Given the fact that we have wasted enormous amounts of money, time and effort (like Iraq, for example) maintaining access to petrochemical sources when we could have developed clean space-based solar power, it's not outside the realm of serious consideration that the reason we haven't gone back to space big-time is not that we can't (as in lacking the technology) but that certain people really don't want us to. t
nemo | 10.13.06 - 12:19 pm | #

the discussion is based on a coming book wherein a conservative is telling us that he hates liberals and Al Quaida hates liberals and we should win over the Islamofascists by defeating the liberals. (huh?) Here's another comment:

Talk about appeasement.

Though w really has done a great job of keeping us safe. I do think by turning the world against us that the terrorists no longer feel the need to attack us. W has done their work for us.
esther | 10.13.06 - 7:12 pm | #

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